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SEASON TWO - EPISODE #42

Schools and Grading

Be it resolved, schools that grade students are failing them.

Guests
Alfie Kohn
Thomas R. Guskey

About this episode

It’s back to school for millions of students next week after a school year of unprecedented disruption and with the traditional grading systems and report card one of the main casualties. But some educators say this past year’s abandonment of letter grades and grade point averages has been a good thing and is key to reforming the education system. They say that for decades research has shown that traditional grading systems decrease student learning by shifting their attention from deep learning to how to play and win at the game of school. Giving out grades reduces student interest in knowledge for its own sake as well as the desire to take on challenges. Rather than providing a fair and helpful snapshot of a student’s progress, grades only succeed in capturing the inequity and bias that afflicts our education systems.

Supporters of traditional grading approaches respond that grades, especially when paired with individualized comments, provide a valuable feedback tool that is fundamental to a successful education system. Grades that are based on clearly defined learning goals address the problem of teacher bias and provide an honest answer to the key question on every student’s mind: how am I doing? Grades also communicate this important information to parents and to higher learning establishments with limited enrollment. Most importantly grades reward effort, a key pillar for a fair and just education system and the broader society it feeds.

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Guests

Alfie Kohn

"It's not a matter of what grade kids get, the problem is with grades themselves."

Alfie Kohn

"It's not a matter of what grade kids get, the problem is with grades themselves."

Alfie Kohn has been described by Time magazine as “perhaps the country’s most outspoken critic of education’s fixation on grades [and] test scores.” His criticisms of competition and rewards have helped to shape the thinking of educators -- as well as parents and managers -- across North America and abroad. He has appeared on numerous TV and radio programs, including the “Today” show, two appearances on “Oprah,” and multiple interviews on NPR and CBC. He lectures widely at universities and to school faculties, parent groups, and corporations, as well as speaking at staff development seminars and keynoting national education conferences. Kohn’s articles on assessment include “The Case Against Grades” in Educational Leadership, "From Degrading to De-Grading" in High School Magazine, "The Trouble with Rubrics" in English Journal, and the foreword to a new anthology titled Ungrading: Why Rating Students Undermines Learning.

Thomas R. Guskey

"We don't assign grades to students. We assign grades to performance. Knowing where you are is the essential first step in understanding what you need to do to improve."

Thomas R. Guskey

"We don't assign grades to students. We assign grades to performance. Knowing where you are is the essential first step in understanding what you need to do to improve."

Thomas R. Guskey, Ph.D., is Professor Emeritus in the College of Education, University of Kentucky. A graduate of the University of Chicago, he began his career in education as a middle school teacher and later served as an administrator in Chicago Public Schools. He is a Fellow in the American Educational Research Association and was awarded the Association’s prestigious Relating Research to Practice Award. His most recent books include Get Set, Go! Creating Successful Grading and Reporting Systems and What We Know About Grading: What Works, What Doesn't, and What's Next.

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